The key reference here isBarnes, T. D. 2010: Early Christian Hagiography and Roman History, Tubingen. The myth says that, when they died, they Danaides were forced to a torment for eternity. So, please continue to delve deeply and share this intellectual sustenance with your grateful readers. She felt pity for her husband, Lynceus, and spared his life. 8:3). But in fact all I do, or you do, is to fish among the childish memories. Grace and repentance go hand in hand. * Poggio Bracciolini served under four successive popes (14041415); first as scriptor (writer of official documents), soon moving up to abbreviator, then scriptor penitentiarius, and scriptor apostolicus. These were the measures devised by human planning [i.e. The story of Danaides begins with the rivalry between the twin sons of Belus, the king of Egypt. At first those who confessed were taken away for punishment; subsequently others who were denounced by others were rounded up. Several other martyrs. In Romans 16, couples, single people, and women are key to missionary work; in 1Clement and The Shepherd of Hermas we see a great concern regarding the social order of women and the household. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. Her waters were sacred to the god Dionysos. The reason for Nero attacking the Christians (including the deaths of Peter and Paul), according to Lactantius, was the same as we read of in Plinys correspondence: the pagan cults were being abandoned because of the success of Christian preaching. Three were burned to the ground. | About Us You cannot have grace without repentance and faith. Before the wedding, he presented each of his daughters a dagger and instructed them to kill their husbands in their wedding night. Who? The more I read your stuff (and I still do, of course), the more I realize how much we all owe you. Covered with the hides of wild animals they perished by being torn to pieces by dogs or, fixed to stakes (or, crosses) they were set afire in the darkening evening as a form of night lighting. Danaus didn't want that his beautiful and prosperous Argos suffer because of a war. The paucity and weakness of the data, however, have not prevented acceptance of the historicity of this first persecution as an undisputed fact. ", "For an excellent example of generally high-quality scholarship by someone who isnt a biblical studies professor, see Neil Godfreys work posted on the website vridar.org. The spring called Dirke (Dirce), running parallel to the Ismenos (Ismenus) and the walls themselves, which had always previously had clear and pure water, was suddenly and unexpectedly filled with blood. . And this evidence, focusing its special emphasis on the Christians and the execution of their leader under Pontius Pilatus in the reign of Tiberius, appears to have come to his attention after he wrote the Histories. ", "Neil Godfrey and Tim Widowfield, who both write at Vridar . The result is a few phrases in a single passage testifying to the Neronian persecution of Christians because of the fire of Rome and it is constructed fromanachronisms. . Danaus agreed to the marriage of his daughters only after Aegyptus came to Argos with his fifty sons in order to protect the local population, the Argives, from any battles. This was not a large crowd! Tacitussincerely thought he had, in the late 110s and early 120s, evidence that a new sect known as Christians had been accused of being responsible for starting the fire, and that they were punished by Nero in order to deflect suspicions directed at himself. Most Americans tend to think of religion as something rather fluid. Some time Id like to set out all the points of the various arguments Dohertys, Carriers, Shaws, (and Drews and others) and (preferably in collaboration with others) apply them all to a Bayesian analysis. There are intelligent, thoughtful comments and commenters regularly offering productive discussion. Other references not currently quoted here: Euripides Bacchae 519, Euripides Heracles 27, Propertius 3.16.13. She, suspecting that her husband had secretly lain with Antiopa, ordered her servants to keep her bound in darkness. However, Shaw stresses the importance of recognising the passage is the only source for the involvement of Christians with the fire and their persecution in its aftermath.. Your voice is unique. The purpose of the current article is to address a question to which scholars devoted considerable thought: the identity of the Christian women whom Clement of Rome called Danads and Dircae in his First Epistle to the Corinthians. It is possible that a Christian writer of second-century date intended this passage to refer to events connected with Nero and the fire. can be read as Myrmydone as cited in Hyginus, can be read possibly as Cleodora (Mauricius Schmidt) or simply. Finally, at least for chapter 7, I found this statement interesting: Noah preached repentance, and as many as listened to him were saved. It is noteworthy that Poggio Bracciolini* seems by some lucky chance to have discovered and read this manuscript (work quoted, p. 225). This may be a new way of thinking for a lot of you. All Rights Reserved. Christians, like the Jews, came to think ofNero asan evil apocalyptic figure, the one who had supposedly killed Peter and Paul and was the first persecutor of the Christians. And it will not do to save the Christian hypothesis by postulating Suetonius ignorance. Neil is the author of this post. Overlooked or downplayed in the longstanding debate over the Tacitus passage has been the stark fact that no Christian commentator for over three centuries ever refers to a general anti-Christian pogrom by Nero (beyond the legendary executions of Peter and Paul, which are never linked to the fire). ", "I find your blog most interesting and appreciate your ongoing effort to keep to the evidence for the issues discussed! The paucity and weakness of the data, however, have not prevented acceptance of the historicity of this first persecution as an undisputed fact. Of course, we can conclude that we all do. ISBN 1-905048-0-68. This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International License. There were no crucifixions, for example. Attached to the account of Neros atrocities against the Christians is an explanation of the derivation of their name, making reference to a man who had suffered the extreme penalty at the hands of Pontius Pilate. His treatment, although unnecessarily prolix, argues quite powerfully against the widespread conviction that Chrestus is Christ. I will gloss over the details of Shawsarguments for the above and move on to the account by the Roman historian Tacitus of Neros persecution of the Christians in the wake of the Great Fire ofRome in 64 C.E. Tacitus presents no problems for Shaw until he gets to that part where Nero feels forced to deal with rumours relating toresponsibility for the fire. This is ingenious but highly speculative, as Slingerland himself concedes. The absence is doubly striking since it was precisely a fire at Nicomedia (two of them, in fact) that caused Galerius and Diocletian to turn on the Christians in the Great Persecution of 303 C.E. Thus Shaws contention, as Bowersock puts it, that Tacituss version of the fire derives from a fiction, Christian or otherwise, that was devised and disseminated at some point between 64 and the time when he was writing, more than five decades later, fails to take into account the silence of three long centuries (including in all Roman historians as well). (The latter is a phenomenon which Tertullian is one of the earliest to focus on, yet without appealing to any Great Fire controversy. As such refusals could provoke violent reactions from their pagan husbands (including sexual abuse), Clement metaphorically called these Christian women Dircae, the bull being a symbol of unchained debauchery. This great massacre was unbelievable, even for the bloody ancient Greek myths. Indeed, the Danaides were punished for this after their death with a horrible and eternal torment. ISBN 978-0-7885-0425-9. The myth of Danaides is the story of fifty women who commit a horrible wrongdoing: guided by their father, they all kill their husbands on their wedding night! "There is a river called Dirke (Dirce) [near Thebes] after the wife of Lykos (Lycus). Another move of this kind, as we have just noted, is the transfer of the hatred of humankind label to Christians, probably made in parallel with the use of the specific name of Chrestiani for them. Whether it happened by chance or by a malicious act of the emperor is uncertain. The forty-nine brides who killed their husband were punished for their crime. 18:30]. Just to count the grand houses, the apartment blocks, and the temples that had been destroyed would be very difficult. 6:3 Jealousy hath estranged wives from their husbands and changed the saying of our father Adam, This now is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh. The following is from a review of H. Dixon Slingerlands Claudian Policymaking and the Early Imperial Repression of Judaism at Rome reviewed by Erich S. Gruen, University of California, Berkeley, http://bmcr.brynmawr.edu/1998/98.7.02.html. When Belus died, he ordered Danaus king of Libya and Aegyptus, king of Arabia. We all know the problem with this promise. Enter the email address you signed up with and we'll email you a reset link. To get rid of the rumour, Nero found and provided the defendants, and he afflicted with the most refined punishments those persons whom, hated for their shameful acts, the common people were accustomed to call Chrestiani. Because the water was always leaking, they would forever try to fill the tub. Thus was he removed from the world, and went into the holy place, having proved himself a striking example of patience. 2) Christiani/oi designated people as adherents or partisans of Christ, and not the fictive sons/daughters of someone. He nevertheless does not subscribe to the historians account of Neros reign. See back issues. ", Callimachus, Hymn 4 to Delos 75 ff (trans. 57 (trans. Best, John", John Moles, September 2011 (personal email), "I always enjoy reading Neils blog because I think that he is careful, thorough, intellectually fair, and honest. "[The rivers and springs flee before the pregnant goddess Leto, fearing the wrath of Hera should they provide her refuge :] Fled, too, Aonia [Boiotia] on the same course, and [the Naiades] Dirke (Dirce) and Strophia, holding the hands of their sire, dark-pebbled Ismenos (Ismenus). Theoi Project Copyright 2000 - 2017 Aaron J. Atsma, Netherlands & New Zealand, (Callimachus Hymn to Delos, Nonnus Dionysiaca 44.10). 232-241). . 24.4: Iudaeos impulsore Chresto assidue tumultuantis Roma [Claudius] expulit. The passage indeed implies that Chrestus the impulsor was in Rome when these events transpired. The Church of St. Clement is one of the most fascinating places in Rome. 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